One of the things I've been noticing about the latest liberal talking points is them talking about the Bush Administration's incompetence at not having a plan for the war in Iraq. Tester even mentions a lack of a plan in one of his commercials.
Clearly they have plans and those plans require continual adjustments as unexpected situations continually come up.
The question I have is why would the administration share their war plans?? I would think it would be incompetence for them to do so. I think that intelligent people who are not blinded by their hatred of Bush would realize that this talking point is ridiculous if they really thought about it.
And what are the liberal's plans except get the troops out immediately? AKA Cut and run.
To see how a liberal administration handles terrorism, see my previous post on Carter's handling of the Iran Hostage crises.
Clearly they have plans and those plans require continual adjustments as unexpected situations continually come up.
ReplyDeleteUnexpected things? Like the insurgency? Like the civil war happening there right now? Anyone who knows aything about the region knew that we would not be accepts with open arms, as 'liberators'. As for the sectarian violence, Bush's own generals testified that they had not anticipated it. Again, a first year history student could tell you that sunni's and shiites in that region have fought for centuries. Remove the dictator and they are free to strat right back up. No one anticipated these things? Is that what someone with a 'strategy' does?
Bush now says that the war will not end while he is president. Multiple people in the Bush administration, including Rumsfeld and Cheney made the claim that this war would last "weeks, not months". They never thought past the bomb dropping blitzkrieg. Is this the action of folks who have a 'strategy?
And what are the liberal's plans except get the troops out immediately? AKA Cut and run.
You are just full of talking points, aren't you? Let me tell you, "Stay the course" is not a strategy, it is a talking point. It is a phrase.
I had hopes that you might bring a bit more to the table than Coobs, but you are going to have to do better than this. Blind allegience to a failed 'strategy' is not an American virtue. There must be accountability.
It's so easy to say all these things in hindsight, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteThe general population did accept us as liberators. They are afraid, however, that we would cut and run and Hussien's people would punish them in the aftermath. We did it in the first war and I can't blame them for being afraid.
The insurgents are currently terrorizing the people and feel emboldend by what liberals are talking about in the US.
You accuse me of being full of talking points of which I admit. However, I can easily claim the same towards you.
It's so easy to say all these things in hindsight, isn't it?
ReplyDeleteAndy, my wife who minored in history told me exactly what would happen with the sectarian violence before the war ever started. If the Bush administration had the foresite to look into the facts of the region before they decided to invade, they might have had a plan. The fact is that Bush thought he was going to plow in there like a cowboy and ride off into the sunset. If he would have asked the questions, he would have gotten the answers. Surely it was worth the time when you consider ll the American and Iraqi blood soaking into the sand over there. These are real lives.
The insurgents are currently terrorizing the people and feel emboldend by what liberals are talking about in the US.
This is absurd. Seriously, is this the best you have? Haven't you gotten the memo? It's not just 'liberals', most Americans believe that this war is hurting the war on terror. 59% believe that Bush has no clear policy to deal with terrorism. 66% say this country faces deep serious trouble.
This is a democracy buddy. You can't take away our right to free speech and to descent from the administration's views so that he can 'spread democracy' overseas. It is our duty to hold our officials accountable for their actions.
Shane,
ReplyDeleteWe actually live in a represetitive republic, not a democracy. A democracy would be chaos as the population would have to vote on everything. A representitive republic is far better where the people we vote in make the important national decisions. If the majority of the general population disagrees with those decisions, we use our votes to bring about a change in direction.
Governing via public opinion polls is absurd akin to a true democracy. Our founders understood this and designed our system to move slowly and deliberatly so that, hopefully, wise decisions will be made. It's not perfect but it's the best system out there, IMO.
I enjoy your blog and our exchanges and I appreciate and respect the passion of your beliefs. I believe strongly that we all have the right to express our opinions freely.
I'm all for spreading the freedoms, liberty, and way of life that we enjoy in the USA.
I forgot to mention that I have been trying to do research on the public opinions during the revolutionary war, civil war, WWI &II. Unfortunately, my regular job and faimily obligations keep getting in the way. I still plan on getting to it, however.
ReplyDeleteAndy,
ReplyDeleteFirst thought: we live in a representative democracy, a 'republic' is synonymous with all forms of democracy. The democracy you describe is a 'town hall' style democracy.
Governing via public opinion polls
No one suggested that. You said that 'liberals' were 'emboldening' the enemy by ... never mind I will rephrase it for you:
You said
The insurgents are currently terrorizing the people and feel emboldend by what liberals are talking about in the US.
Well then about 60% of the country is liberal because 60% feel that Bush has no strategy. That means that liberals are the mainstream.
What you do when you say things like that is stifle peoples right to speak their mind. That kind of language is purposefully designed to demonize those who would speak against your viewpoints. It is not 'incidental' or 'benign', it is carefully crafted to stifle opposition and goes against everything that a democracy is about.